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We had a xyz plotter to press the buttons on the front panel and side buttons. There were very many accessories to test but each had a few tests. All of this made ROI not worth automating it. Then again, the code base was ever increasing while Management was trying to reduce the testing cost/effort.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2217179243762425644.post-47423437779384137372016-06-08T22:46:46.678+12:002016-06-08T22:46:46.678+12:00That's a great mnemonic, Jim. Thanks for shari...That's a great mnemonic, Jim. Thanks for sharing it. Mr. Slavchevhttp://mrslavchev.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2217179243762425644.post-4743195133817051392016-06-03T11:10:20.369+12:002016-06-03T11:10:20.369+12:00I agree 100% with your point - just because you ca...I agree 100% with your point - just because you can automated doesn't mean it's a good idea.<br /><br />Unfortunately, a lot of teams use this as an excuse to not even TRY to automate things that really should be automated - such as regression checks.<br /><br />I see this less than I used to, but, I still run into lots and lots of teams that don't have ANY automated tests, not even at the unit level. I even still see a lot of teams with NO CI.<br /><br />That is why when I first started writing about testing on XP teams (after having done successful test automation on waterfall teams for years prior to that), I built on the message of the original XP practitioners: Start by assuming you will automate ALL your regression testing, as well as other things like builds and deployments. When you practice enough so that you get skilled at automation, THEN you can make informed decisions about what should and shouldn't be automated.<br /><br />There are two things that make this work. One is that all our software delivery teams ALREADY HAVE PROGRAMMERS. Automation is, in general, easier for them than writing production code. So it doesn't take them long and they can write maintainable test code.<br /><br />The second thing is that it avoids having the manager or the programmers (who are probably being rewarded only for writing production code, not test code) use an excuse such as "Well, that Mike Talks is quite a leading practitioner in the testing world, and he says we don't really need to automate." I know it is lame. But if we don't strongly present a case for defaulting to automating when we're talking about regression testing, we often lose. The sad testers are doomed to running through manual regression test scripts and never have time for productive things like exploratory testing.Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10230090963033880060noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2217179243762425644.post-65741621380046650302016-06-03T06:32:26.913+12:002016-06-03T06:32:26.913+12:00Yep I've seen this pitfall too, and can second...Yep I've seen this pitfall too, and can second what Jim said above. On automating what's needed, a tactic that works well for me is something I call "Tripwire Automation". https://testzius.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/tripwire-testing/<br /><br />People are smart. Testers are smart too. Instead of using automation to test everything, try using it to tell you where some problem areas -might- be. <br /><br />Testers can dig in and figure out where the actual problem is quicker than writing (and then maintaining) the automation. <br /><br />Automation's job is to free up time. Having everything automated kinda negates that. <br /><br />Great article--you made a follower out of me :) Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453112546958879970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2217179243762425644.post-57983734304435983782016-06-01T02:39:28.118+12:002016-06-01T02:39:28.118+12:00"Just because you can, doesn't mean you s..."Just because you can, doesn't mean you should." is right on target. One hundered percent automation is a myth, and needs to be explained well to the unknowing.<br /><br />I use the following acronym for my work "SMART", which means the following:<br />S - Straightforward and simple. Keep your automation and code simple and on target. The code doesn't need to be a Rembrandt.<br />M - Modular and maintainable. Build the code in modular way. Make sure the code and other assets can be easily maintained. It needs to be managable.<br />A - Appropriate. Only automate what is needed. Don't try to automate everything.<br />R - Reusable. Make your code and other test assets reusable. Allow for some one off's, but make sure overall you design/build for reusability. Don't keep re-inventing the wheel.<br />T - Testable and Transportable. Make sure you can test your own code/assets efficiently and easily. Make sure code and assets are transportable to a good degree project to project.<br /><br />Jim Hazen<br />Calkelpdiverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14278143481367031063noreply@blogger.com